NOTE: im sure this entry is riddled with a million typos – ill come back later and clean it up but for now this is the most attention i can muster to busting the b.s. cuz other things take priority – like living and loving. (i do love ya candy and hence i speak the truth)
Over at the land where deceit is sweet – ie the molasses swamp – Candy poses a couple of questions in which she does not really want answers to cuz no matter what ya say – all she gonna do is twist and spin, come on a little closer now… twist and spin….
and she does it all with a word count that cracked the counter! ya hoo
So the question of the day before so many good souls went a tryin’ to have a civil discourse was and is….. (drum roll pls………)
Is Candy’s QUESTION valid?
Is Candy’s question FABRICATED to incite angst discord traffic and grrr?
Hmmmm???? dont know thus im asking
But since im in a generous mood ill answer her bogus question all the same –
“Have you ever wondered whether or not ASL is truly a valid language?”
No i have not because i know that the earth is not flat. In fact i know that the world is R O U N D and this has nothing to do with my personal experiences or having been raised by flatlanders.
Cuz im a thinking chap, matey and not a pundit or a fountain of myth-a-making, and cuz im a literate being and cuz i get me daily knowledge from BOOKS and not the blosphere – ya know ones published by Oxford press and the likes and not self-published nuk nuk nuk types, and cuz i took a few graduate ASL linguistic and ASL literature courses [*gasp – she went to school no wonder she is a fanatic that durr grr*]
and cuz the earth is still round, girl. no matter how u wanna frame it, spin it, twist it, and DEBATE IT. facts r facts missy.
Yes, Candyland Gal ASL is a valid language
Yep, it is.
That is why you have a legal right to an ASL interpreter for trials, police situations, educational settings etc etc.
That is why it is becoming one of the top languages studied in the U.S.
That is why George Veditz kicked butt hoping we would “cherish and defend” it.
Even AG Bell the man recognized ASL as a language.
Even AG Bell Association recognizes ASL as a “language in and of itself.”
Candy et al (yep a handful of her pundit homies have joined in) seem to be saying – maybe the world has been fooled and got duped by that bad ole Dr. Stokoe and his wicked fabrications asserting that ASL is a real language.
hmmmm really wow – that is a mighty big ole myth-a-making u be doing in ur attempt to discredit ASL. Your dB rating has now just officially soared off the chart!
I do thank ya for making the self-evident more evident for all to see. lawdy lawdy that is some mess ya got there (especially since previously u were saying how GRAND it was that ASL was to be noted in the brochure via AB 2072 and all that great advocacy from just any ole visual language to specifically stating ASL but now u got to thinking that there really is no such thing as ASL – that is has all just been a farce and the work of a mad man at Gallaudet *insert spooky music for the place of DOOM and the ASL mafia*)
ya know u trip and get caught when u spin and twist such cuz u be tangled up in ur own web
Interesting to see how folks way back when even knew ASL was a language long before the A was ever added to it – and no by the A word here I don’t mean Audism (look I can spell!). they didnt really need Stokoe’s to INVENT it. it was already there – he just VALIDated it. yep he did and that is what is irking u darling.
u dont want ASL to be valid so u want to invalidate the man who put it on the map – oh goodness. Bad try me pal, bad try. and this is how u start u new year!
oh goodness glory golly geez gosh and wow – u aiming for a WTF award or what?
So life pre- and post-Stokoe’s showed oodles and oodles of proof that natural signed languages (and our home grown variety which was born out of French Sign Language, Native American Sign Language, Martha’s Vineyard Sign Language, and home signs now known as ASL) is in fact a bona fide (ie: True Business) language and not simply just the butchering of English or a pidgin or Creole.
Its been > 50 years (half a century) since Stokoe’s plus friends (Deaf and Hearing scholars alike)
“fabricated” VALIDated that fact and over a 100 years (one whole century ie 5 scores) since they made the film of Edward Miner Gallaudet delivering a lecture in ASL.
but ur right Stokoe’s made it all up – it never was and is NOT now – wow bullywhacks or what?
(funny how u r moving into that current line of argument since folks brought u offerings of truth about the past of ASL – psst girl there is notPURE ASL now cuz languages evolve and ASL has taken a MIGHTY beating from the Oral / Aural only and the “total communication” movement – it aint because ASL never was such a thing. it is still a Language girl – and its on the RISE. ASL is on the RISE child. The snow is melting
But still you have the nerve to say – its all bad English and not valid. Kwel! not
Quoting Candy from the never ending thread re: Sonova’s recall of their Advanced Bionics Cochlear implant due to failing hot:
Posted by Candy on November 29, 2010
I think I agree with Frances, have always seen ASL as bad English. Considering ASL as bad English is what it is and does not necessarily mean I look down on ASL. Just what it is.
No, Candyland – ASL is not bad English and YES when you proclaim that ASL IS BAD ENGLISH as u did in this comment and other places here and there you are IN FACT LOOKING DOWN ON ASL.
Sorry love but that is a truth and a fact. And that is Linguicism which is a form of Audism (wow, I spelled it right again)
And later Candy elaborates that she draws her conclusion about ASL being bad English from her personal observations and the fact that some Deaf folks use mouth movement.
Is it possible that signing ASL but using a lot of mouth movement or English order is more a sign of bad ASL than of bad English????
ASL is not bad English but getting it all ensnared and wrapped up in English mouth movement and word order / grammar means that the person may need to beef up their ASL skills right – doesn’t mean that the whole bloody language is INVALID.
It also may not be such a bad thing that at times ASL follows more English order or has a few lips flapping here and there – seems it happens more often when there have been a strong exchange of English and ASL interplay.
And NO ASL is not reserved for the illiterate or uneducated – pls i hate when u folks do that really. Once i saw a teacher say “that student has no language.” The kid had just explained the workings of nuclear fission to me after discussing E=MC2 – so i was like HUH, his ASL is champ? and the teachers said oh i mean he has no English – which was another falsehood cuz he could write pretty good to which she said “i mean he can’t talk”
and yes i seen how u all r shocked when u find out an ASLer has good English skills and many of them can yoodle pretty dang fine
if we used Candy’s logic them this whole blog entry could be called bad ASL by candy and thus declared invalid – oh geez maybe she will go that way – maybe. lets watch and see.
also if we followed that logic then it would mean that since there are PLENTY of folks out there with fully functioning EARS totally mucking up and #ucking up the English language that the English language is no longer VALID? lets debate that – shall we. (and the band strikes up another tune for our next dance…)
Then after a bit of challenging Candy writes at the never ending Sonova Advanced Bionics failing hot recall entry:
Posted by Candy on November 30, 2010
I will blog about that soon. You’ll see what I mean. There is NO concrete fact that ASL is a language. That is why it is debatable. It does not mean what I say is a fact. Neither does it mean what you believe is a fact either. It is all debatable. There is no absolute to this issue. Not yet so far. Because there are people that were able to discredit what others have theorized about this topic. You choose to believe so and so and I choose to believe so and so. Who is right? That’s debatable.
Well, golly gee – somebody type up a web wire alert the associated press and confirm that indeed the sky is falling.
Ms. Candy has declared that there is NO CONCRETE FACT THAT ASL IS A LANGUAGE.
NOTE: patti going sassy with satire below –
News flash – ya all who have degrees in ASL – get ye back to a nunnery cuz it was all just a big ole hoax ala Stokoe and all ur hand flapping stuff is invalid. DUH!
News flash – ya all who have gotten RID certification, ya all who have have gotten SLPI evaluations, ya all who have created works of art in the air – ASL poetry, storytelling, folklore, jokes, ABC stories – just click delete and trash and burn cuz all u were EVER DOING WAS AN OVER GLORIFIED FORM OF …..
Geez u all r so busted now – thank goodness for Candy’s calling card, eh?
Oh and News flash – Library of Congress what a joke u picked the old Veditz film on the “preservation of sign language” when in fact there is NO SUCH THING – gawd u folks fell for it too – my heavens.
Oh and MLA – u can just remove ASL from ur listing since we have now learned it is officially bad English and not a valid language
Oh and Deaf Studies Digital Journal - cut that crap out – u know publishing scholarly papers in a language that ain’t even real and is just a huge farce and protocol put forth by one of ur own quacks. who do u think u r fooling?
Oh and flashing lights at the household of Dr. Carol Padden – “Excuse me mam, we are sorry to trouble you but well its about that MacArthur Genius Award we done gave you. It was a mistake – ya see it has become known to us that all your work and the work of all your colleagues – u know Ursual Bellugi of the Salk Institute, Drs. Supallas, Valli, Lucas, Petitto, etc etc etc – were all mistaken. We have just learned that there is NO concrete fact that ASL is a language. Its all debatable so we r just gonna be taking back your award now.” (whispers to the happy chap with him – “thank Gosh you subscribe to Deafread or we would have never known the truth.” “Affirmative, sir. Thank gosh they run that crap.”)
Now all my pals in blog-o-land im off to clear off all my shelves of books re: the linguistics of ASL, burn all my DVDs with ASL in ‘em, and start advocating for oral / aural only because I truly want to be an independent thinker and i have finally seen the light through the slogan of the AG Bell Association “Independence through listening and talking.” since ASL is not even a bloody language and since those who use the non-language are so clannish, isolated, and dependent (see AG Bell’s letter to Pepsi co.) and since Candy Cracks Corn – im CURED!
END of Sas
To all who made the noblest effort over at Candy’s place to illuminate, educate, and elevate – I thank you. You r grand and SHINE. Don’t know how u do it – me head was a spinnin’ mighty fast trying to process that entry and some of those comments.
Candy concludes her rambling (where she seems to be trying to assert that SEE and PSE are languages by proving that ASL isn’t. HUH? yep, i know folks i know) with this question:
Stokoe is known to be a genius. Is it possible that Stokoe was smart enough to figure out a way to fabricate ASL as a language?
Answer: No Virginia – it is not possible. Why? because something called RELIABILITY & VALIDITY – as in scientific terms.
But if you want to discuss how someone may have fabricated that the theory of audism was hijacking the field of Deaf Cultural Studies – well that might be a valid and worthy discussion to have but im sure ud just say – “well, that is debatable.”
Clearly ignorance ain’t always bliss folks.
but sometimes it is so i will kindly ask folks not to email me links of bogus blogging any more. if you want to shine a light on the good folks and comments they are making here and there in an effort to get the truth and light to warm us – send that and ill be happy to toot its horn but as for this …. hmmmm fracking – no thanks. Me trying to have a hopeful and loveful new year.
and now for some words of wisdom & a plea below:
“We possess and jealously guard a language different and apart from any other in common use – a language which nevertheless is precisely what all-wise Mother Nature designed for the people of the eye, a language with no fixed form or literature in the past, but which we are now striving to fix and give a distinct liter…ature of its own by means of the moving picture film.” ~ George Veditz 1910
“All of the different functions of language – expressing individual and cultural identity, purveying cultural norms and values, linking the present & the past-sustain an ethnic group’s love of its native language as the central symbol of its identity and fuel the minority’s resistance to replacement of its language by more powerful others.”
~Lane, Pillard, Hedberg – “The People of the Eye: Deaf Ethnicity and Ancestry” Oxford Press
Now if i could just get u all to care about a Native American Deaf artist who was killed by a cop – that would be wonderful. if you could put your attention and good heart there and DO SOMETHING to show we care that would be grand.
John T Williams was a Deaf man walking who in 7 SECONDS became a Dead man walking.
Please visit “Being Deaf is Deadly???” (which is a valid question) read if u want – view the videos if u want – but scroll down to the draft letter and if u like like – send me a note or add a comment that ud like ur name there. Also circulate it via all ur wonderful social networking tools (or make a new video letter in ASL *gasp*) and get that out there. The nuk nuk nukkers dont deserve all our attention and affection – JOHN T WILLIAMS memory and family do.
1. I is me. I am not typing on behalf of nobody but my own conscience.
2. I love Candy so this is not a space to be throwing crap at her – feel free to quote some of her stuff so she can see verity is clarity. Some day may we sit down to a nice ole cup of tea – malice and falsehood free – shall we?
3. I am of the mind that ASL is dandy, English is handy, > One or Tvo or Three or Four Languages are Grand and…
4. Yes, I’m aware that this here blog entry is mighty bad ASL.
5. life is good and I thank u each and all for being in it. 1 2 3 jump at da sun folks for Clerc, Veditz, Teigel, Foster, Clark, … for us