Honk if you support the DBC

hi all
yesterday i was really sad when i saw some of the stuff on Deafread and i composed a long response and then just saved it in word and went out and lived in the real world.

it has been crazy-busy at my house this week but some of the stuff i glanced at hitting all of our brainwaves of those of us who go to Deafread for news and info and opinions did have a sad lingering effect.

so this space is intended to be a happy space – free of landmines

simply leave a HONK HONK HONK comment if u support DBC. i believe all Deaf organizations need our critical and caring eyes and our support during stormy times

if u wanna leave a longer comment that will be great

i am sure some naysayers* with stop by too – and they are welcome as long as their rhetoric is peaceful and comes from love. no, drive by shooting comments from folks who choose to remain nameless please

*naysayers are the individuals who seek to distort information and lead a smear campaign – they are not individuals who are sharing their personal experiences within the core and coming from a place of love.

Example – a former DBC member feels comfortable highlighting some comments from an AIM chat but neglects to highlight his own comments in the transcript when they are not favorable.
I.e. after joking about selling their ears for money – lassoBC typed
(“ha ha funny DE” but it is not highlighted at all)

I am deeply saddened to learn that several good folks feel that they were forced to leave or shoved out of DBC’s core. I understand that EACH of you felt u had very good ideas and they were rejected. Those of you who feel you were forced to leave because a different vision on the mission and strategies – it is good that you stepped down if u felt u could not support their path. For those of u who were cut off without any prior notification or discussion and for which u feel there was no just cause – i do express my sorrow that u had this experience. I also extend my sympathy to the core members who have held together during all these changes – i am sure they have been hard and upsetting.

I have had similar experiences in some Deaf organizations for a variety of reasons – power struggles. varying agendas, competition, attention, different mission and philosophy. It is hard for any group to come together an form a firm and loving position and stick to it. We all falter and waiver.

I do beseech each of you who has the time and commitment to unite and set up the type of organization u feel is best – polls, clear solitary mission, good first impressions, (no discussion of CI, AVT, Deafhood, audism, etc). I will defend u to the end just as I will any other Deaf organization that is seeking the right to a visual language for babies peacefully.

I will share why i support the DBC so that those folks who would like to give a HONK can join me:
1. DBC is an advocacy group that is LONG LONG LONG overdue
2. DBC is a grassroots organization that is committed to BILINGUALISM AND BICULTURALISM
3. There is more good in DBC than there is bad
4. i have NEVER NEVER NEVER witnessed the coming together of the Deaf community on such a level as i did at the DBC conference in Milwaukee.
5. DBC is committed to peaceful, positive and whenever possible proactive activism

I will withdraw my support of DBC if they ever advocated for violence (the AIM chat blowing off of stress-steam comments is not evidence of violence in my opinion).

In the spirit of full transparency – things u should know about me:
1. i am not a core member of DBC nor have i ever been
2. i am not a brainwashed sheep following cultist
3. i am not fully deaf or Deaf
4. i am an advocate for bilingualism – biculturalism (ASL and English) for Deaf children
5. i am very comfortable with the concepts of Deafhood
6. i am very tired of all the horrible, spiteful, demoralizing, meanspirited, unproductive and ugly COMMENTS that get thrown around all over the blogsphere
7. i know there are more good folks out there than there are bad

so…… honking for DBC does not mean that u dont ask DBC to examine the challenge before which is (as i see it)
1. to acknowledge the pain that some have encountered from their relationship within the DBC core – the pain is real regardless of if the causes are perceived to be different

2. clarifying ur mission re: the BICULTURAL part of bi-bi

to my knowledge (but i have not read everything in the blog sphere) there has been NO NO NO discussion of the BICULTURAL part of bilingualism – biculturalism

and i think this might be the heart of the issue. if some d/Deaf folks perceive any examination of a CUTLURAL view to be Deaf cultists – then we have a chasm folks and the ELEPHANT keeps winning. The answer in my opinion is not for DBC to diminish or undermine the importance of BICULTURALISM

all the scholarly readings i have done re: bilingualism-bilculturalism (BI-BI) have always emphasized the role of audism in prohibiting and restricting ASL to flourish and be used in academic settings for deaf children. and all the BI-BI writings i have read examine a cultural view of what it means to be Deaf (which is basically what Deafhood is about)

I have never seen the Deaf community so ACTIVE, ALIVE, and A-W-A-K-E out there in the real world as i have seen with the DBC .

I have never seen the Deaf community so ____________ gosh i cant find a word for what i see going on in the b/vlogs right now

i have been to several Deaf gatherings lately and someone always brings up – HAVE US SEEN DEAFREAD LATELY – and other folks will say yeah what a mess chat chat chat

and i will ask – why do u think this is happening – what do u think this is all about

and the most common refrain i have seen is
attention seeking

now i do not believe that is what is motivating several good folks to speak (type/sign out) – i am sharing that this is the perception

just as i do not want DBC to be massacred for things it is not guilty of – i do not want the dissenters to be massacred as well

what i truly want is – PEACE

and peace by MLK jrs definition is not the absence of tension but the presences of justice

i am not saying “cant we all just get along” in a superficial way on Deafread

i am not saying “cant we all just be one big ole happy family”

i am saying – we got some REALLY REALLY REALLY hard work ahead of us

we have to ask ourselves (and in we i mean me too) how do i disrespect my brethren?
how do i demonstrate a lack of love and respect for others – especially for Deaf people of color? we do need to discuss racism and classism with the Deaf community
how do i communicate concerns about oral / aural only programs and CI without communicating a disrespect or rejection for those who have CI or are oral non-signers


united we stand, Divided we fall

HONK if u support DBC – If u prefer to handwave cuz its more Deaf-centered that is fine

just be visually loud and positive please


Patti Durr


40 Comments (+add yours?)

  1. Paul
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 08:10:22


    Thanks Patti finally a beautiful soul in the midst of so much ugliness.

  2. Drolz
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 08:13:58

    *Getting Krazy Glue*

    *Applying Krazy Glue under the horn of my steering wheel*

    *Pressing horn*


    *Horn stuck, honks all night* 🙂

    Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. Extremely well-said, Patti.

    Quite frankly I was feeling shellshocked and in the dumps lately. Having personally witnessed a lot of the inspiration that culminated in the formation of the Deaf Bilingual Coalition, I was so heartbroken to see people taking a perverse pleasure in trying to tear it down (as I said in Don G’s vlog on horizontal violence, I have NO problem with constructive criticism or feedback. It’s the vindictive folks who greatly sadden me.)

    Anyway I agree with you 100%. Thank you for keeping the inspiration alive.

    Best regards,

  3. dog food
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 08:21:01

    interesting how you said these exact words in the first paragraph: “went out and lived in the real world.”

  4. dog food
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 08:22:16

    sweet post (honk honk honks for your thoughts)

  5. Meow
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 08:29:56

    Good bye DBC. I do not support DBC.

  6. brenster-
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 08:50:56


  7. Don Grushkin
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 08:51:44


    And HONK HONK HONK to you too!


  8. Mishka Zena
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 08:57:15


    We left or were kicked out only because we didn’t subscribe to their radical definition of Deafhood. We only wanted to concentrate on Bilingualism, not the evils of C.I. and oracay, deficit thinkers, and audism, etc. We are not talking about the kind of deafhood they gave in workshops. This kind of deafhood was very extreme.

    There was no negotiation. The Deafhood leaders completely steamrolled us. When I was accused of being was an oral elite and didn’t understand the oral failures, I explained what happened to a childhood friend who grew up with us. Because I wasn’t able to use the vp, I was attacked verbally, with one DH leader screaming at me, which intimidated the others even more and shortly afterwards we quit or were kicked out.

    We love DBC. We can easily see how confusing it is for other people. The hearing people outside of Deaf Community can see the strong anti ci sentiments in the DBC. That’s fine if we are addressing to the Deaf Community. The only problem is that DBC is supposed to be addressing to the hearing parents. It’s a complete success with the Deaf Community and they did a wonderful job, a very impressive job. However, with the target audience of hearing parents, they did a dismal job… due to mixed messages. Hearing parents saw through their talks easily, even though the Deaf Community resonate with their themes. I am not talking about the lecturers of Bilingualism, if that helps.

    I know you are a very good friend and a very loyal fan of Deafhood. I admire your loyalty and know you have the best intention, Patti 🙂

  9. KyDeafie
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 08:57:58

    Honk! Honk! Honk! For the Deaf BABIES! They need us NOW! Give them the education! Save DBC!

  10. Mishka Zena
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 09:00:59

    Drolz, there is a difference between getting venegance and reporting the truth. If we want to do revenge, we would have spoken a long time ago. I asked others not to.. we all hoped DBC will do well with the hearing parents. It was a very difficult decision for us.. We agonized, thinking about the pros and cons. We eventually felt the Deaf Community needs the full truth.

    For some people, the truth hurts and they interpret it to be an attack on DBC. Since when is the truth an attack?

    We love Deaf Community too much to let the deception continue.

    It’s ok if Deafhood themes are explored. They just need to be open about it. That’s all I’m asking for: transparency.

  11. Ben Vess
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 09:32:23

    I have seen a bigger group of deaf people coming together for a cause: GUFSSA.

    DBC’s 700 something people did not come close to Gally’s 4,000 who marched.

    Question: what’s the elephant? Who is it? How do we push it out if we don’t know what or who it is?


  12. brenster-
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 09:37:34

    ***HONK HONK HONK***

    I believe that the personal vengeance, hunger for “name-glory” and need for sympathy are all behind those people, especially Barry the Hocockan, who decided now is the right time to go out and destroy the sacred trust of the Deaf community.

    The irony is those people who “came out” demanded for transparency of DBC, but they lack transparency about themselves.

    I have already seen damage those people have done to the Deaf community, and this out of love? I do not agree.

    It is actually distorted truth that attacked DBC. Just like Patti pointed out with an example, the highlighted lines in AIM meetings were selected with an intention to shift the readers’ attention away from the rest of discussion and clarifications. This whole disclosure does not reflect too greatly upon the integrity on Barry’s part and others who endorsed this unethical conduct.

    In the other way, thanks to them and some others, now I know they are NOT to be trusted for sure. Unfortunately, they ruined my trust in anybody.

    ***HONK HONK HONK***

  13. Anonymous
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 09:38:39

    “how do i communicate concerns about oral / aural only programs and CI without communicating a disrespect or rejection for those who have CI or are oral non-signers”

    BRAVO! But Patti, you barely missed the head of the nail.


    You said: “concerns about oral / aural only programs AND CI”

    See the capitalized words above?

    You re pushing US away, CI users.

    I am a 20 year old CI user who got implanted at age 4.

    The MAJORITY of the Deaf youth has a cochlear implant or even two.

    The war will last UNLESS WE STOP I mean S T O P saying “I am against CI, but I am not against the person.”

    Focus on the concerns abou the oral/aural approach in deaf education and to promote bilingualism.


    Trust me on this one. Most of us , the CI Deaf who were implanted at youth and learned sign early or later in life like wearing our devices just like you who likes to wear your hearing aid.

    I truly hope you and the others understand the effects of your statement: “I am against CI but not against the person.”

    It is damaging. It continues the rift to grow as big as the Mariana Trench!

  14. Ben Vess
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 09:45:40


    Aren’t you in violation of the blog’s request? Smearing MZ is not necessary.


  15. pdurr
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 10:00:12

    thanks all for stopping by

    #13 – my statement states “concerns about CI” I am sorry that you interpreted this to mean i am against CI. i did not say i was against CI – i do think it is ok for me to say i have concerns about CI. This does not mean that i think they are evil or bad or the person who implants a child or the person who chooses to get or use a CI is bad or evil

    i will never say that

    i have concerns about CI – when things calm down and time permits i hope to vlog about my concerns as i TRULY desire input from folks who have CI.

    just as folks who have CI have felt persecuted and rejected by folks who opposed CI (i do not support this treatment) – i myself have felt prohibited from sharing my concerns about CI because some people immediately misconstrue that i am AGAINST CI or that i am a Deaf militant or that i am rejecting them or their decisions as a parent to implant their child(ren)

    this is part of the honest that we need to develop

    can we discuss things – even a thing that is part of a persons body – the lack of hearing or the ability to hear via an implant without making it personal

    i too do not want the rift to grow

    i think if we r told we are forbidden to discuss CI because it is hurtful to the people who have CI, our hands are being tied and it causes folks to say and respond in more extreme ways

    If CI were not coupled with oral / aural ONLY therapy then i could totally understand your recommendation

    i wish you much peace and i thank u for comment. I do respect your choice and i am glad that u r happy with who u are and what u have. pls continue to help me understand by understanding what it is i am truly saying

    i appreciate u very much



  16. brenster-
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 10:08:54

    Thank you, DBC. HONK HONK HONK!

    Ben… Actually, I did not directly target MZ but rather to the group, more particularly the disgruntled commenters who have been on the witch hunt long before MZ and others came out.

    MZ has always come to my admiration, and that is why it is very unfortunate. Regardless, my admiration still remains. You, Ben, wanted to discredit my comment by making it about smearing MZ. Inaccurate and unacceptable.

    Thanks, Ben, but no thanks. I will let Patti who is actually the boss of this blog do the chastising on me if necessary. As always, I value her discussions and and take her comments to heart.


  17. Mishka Zena
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 10:10:33


    The parents of deaf babies will not receive the message well from people who are against the audism of c.i. and oralism. They can see that the leaders of the DBC have different agendas. They are not stupid. That’s the core issue.

    Brenster, I understand you not believing me. It’s ok. I’ve always praised DBC and how well it’s done with the DBC conference. If I really want to destroy DBC, I wouldn’t have complimented DBC at all. I saw all the good it has done for the Deaf Community. There is absolutely no question.

    However, it does practice Deafhood, something the hearing parents of deaf babies are not ready to hear, and that needs to be acknowledged. Many people who embraces Deafhood have problem understanding this point of view. DBC is perfect for Deaf people. How many hearing parents with deaf babies who don’t sign attended the DBC conference compared to Deaf participants? Think about that. Think who the real audience is.

    If the audience is for hearing parents, then we should see at least over 50% or more of hearing audience.

    I know you think I am the enemy. The truth is not the enemy.

  18. pdurr
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 10:22:49

    Miskha Zena

    I am sorry for the hurt you have suffered. i do not think u r the enemy nor have i ever identified u as such. it hurts me that u would say such. in my other blog on this subject – u readily assumed i was referring to u as a mud slinger and i promptly replied that u did not even enter my mind. this is part of the truth that u say u r seeking. i am totally listening to your Truths – i fear you can not hear mine. again u seem to be very defensive in ur comments. if u are at peace with what u have done and are doing – no need to be on the defense. u r my friend in the blogsphere and i care about u. i apologize for any harm that I ME MYSELF have caused u. we, at times, simply have different opinions. i do not think that makes either of us the enemy or either of us wrong. i think there are multiple rights in this picture. i think u r are important part of the picture and i do think that we must be accountable for our blogs/vlogs just as we r calling the DBC leaders to be those of integrity.

    Re: Deafhood

    i have READ and SEEN outrageous MISstatements about the Deafhood concept put forth by Dr. Ladd and the three US Deafhood presenters

    all i can do is read the book thoroughly – have dialogue with the author, scruntinize all the vlogs from the Deafhood presenters, attend their workshops – and all the way i have not see the radical things you speak of

    however, again my definition of radical is different from others

    i am very liberal in my thinking and i have read alot of post colonial rhetoric applied to a multitude of disenfranchised populations – not just Deaf folks

    it is all a very similar vein – to some Paddy Ladd’s and others Deafhood post-colonialism may even appear to be tame

    the beauty of the overall Deafhood message which i have seen from all parties involved is one of:

    you are loved, you are important – you who were NOT – ARE

    and the way that we collectively become ARE is by being awake, active, committed and loving

    do i agree with EVERYthing Dr. ladd has written – nah. Do i understand everything Dr. Ladd has written or signed – nah.

    do i agree with EVERYthing the Deafhood three presenters have presented all the time – nah. Do i understand everyhhing the three presenters have written or signed all the time – nah.

    do i agree with EVERYthing i myself have said all the time or understood even my own words / actions all the time – nah.

    but overall the message of Deafhood to me is positive and productive

    i have witnessed the fierce popping of wholes in the ground swell of that which is Deafhood and it saddens me greatly because it is often offered in the spirit of meanness and totally reflects very badly on the Deaf community

    this does NOT at all mean that i discourage critical thinking – u will find that i am highly critical. but i think we all can see and feel that there is alot of meanness going around

    some folks are INCREDIBLY threatened by Deafhood and empowerment. some folks resent being told that we are all a product of colonialism and thus must wrestle this colonialist thinkings from our own minds

    we have a wall up and DBC, Deafhood, everyone who approaches their b/vlogging and commenting from a loving and firm standpoint are contributing to cracking holes in the wall to let the light shine in.

    the light coming in is painful to see for many of us. we have been in the dark so long

    we need time to adjust and get acclimated. How would a group of blinded people scale such a wall? by linking up hand and hand, by giving each other a boost

    in terms of hearing people and Deafhood

    i do think at times we underestimate hearing people Many people worried about the artwork of Betty G Miller as being too strong, loud, political for hearing folks in the field of deafness to tolerate. Hearing folks outside the field immediately “Got it” and cheered betty on

    when we wanted to bring the US Deafhood presenters to Rochester – many folks told me NO hearing people are not ready to see this

    when they came many HEARING people came up to me and said – i kept waiting for the blow to strike – i had heard so many negative things about Deafhood but i sat there the whole day thinking – I get it – geez that stinks what can we do about it…

    When we wanted to show the film Audism Unveiled – it was SEVERAL DEAF people who told me – “oh you cant show that here. the hearing people are not ready for that kind of stuff”

    we showed it and no one died – in fact many people deaf, Deaf, oral, with CI, w/o CI, hearing, CODAs were all moved by it

    so what exactly r we so afraid of

    who is to say MY WAY of approaching hearing parents is the best way

    i totally respect, understand and support folks who feel they have a BETTER way – i say please go forth

    having talked with many hearing parents over the years in person, via email, in blog websites – many are EAGER to hear from us
    but we must be LOVING and we must assume they are doing what they believe is best for their kids

    our only task is to let them know that ASL is an asset and a blessing and the Deaf community is not a big ugly group of folks who hate each other or hate them for whatever choices they make for their kids

    I do wish u and others well in creating your own bilingualism group targeting parents and absent of biculturalism

    you are dear to me and i know u can achieve this goal very well – u have a fountain of dedication and resourcefulness

    I am sorry for all the hurt you have suffered when blog commentators go wild and for the pain u experienced within DBC

    much peace


  19. brenster-
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 10:24:06

    Mishka Zena- I understand that you felt the need to come forward. Two dilemmas.

    #1 – The timing clearly is not good, as the others were already starving for personal smearing on certain individuals. DBC conference just ended with a very positive note. It’s just the same old pattern that when there is a great thing happening in the Deaf community, we have to bring up dirts in order to pull us down back to square one.

    #2 – Unfortunately, your coming out added the fuel to already big fire of those on witch hunt on certain individuals. Please look at other blogs where the bloggers angrily named individuals and subjected them in continued bashing by other commenters. I know that you, MZ, do not condone this, but sadly this is one of “side effects” of your coming out.

    Regardless, like I said in my last comment, you still remain in my admiration, but the hurt still remains.


  20. pdurr
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 10:37:57


    thanks for following up

    i know u r typing to MZ but ur last comment made my eyes water

    while i am acknowledging all the pain and hurt folks have experienced via their severed relationships with DBC – u have reminded me that i must also acknowledge the deep pain and hurt each of us are feeling when we see all this verbal violence go on in the blogsphere

    i have written about this repeatedly in the past.

    each time it reaches its feverish pitch of folks getting more and more outrageous – i say – enough im done with Deafread then i go out in the woods and remember what the real world is about and there is more good than bad

    hence the call for honking – i think any critic of DBC can still honk in support of DBC continuing – if their constructive feedback is sincere – they can still honk and also pursue their own path of establishing an organization as they see fit

    multiple approaches to the same end goal is very common and often very effective

    much peace to all

    time for the walk in the woods now


  21. SDA
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 10:38:56

    patti ~ thank you!!! you inspire me…
    instead of honking, i’m flashing my flashlight! 🙂
    again, thank you for your wonderful words of wisdom, love and peace.
    you are a gem!

  22. Mishka Zena
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 10:55:35

    Oh, I honk for DBC. Please don’t doubt me for my support for DBC. I think it’s great.

    Brenster, please forgive me. I am not familiar with the history of Deaf Communnity. I see a lot of anger and all of these anger needs to be deal with. That’s why I am so happy about DBC conference. Deaf people finally found a place where they can express their honest feelings, what they experienced in the past, how the audism had affected them. I am only sorry I wasn’t there because I can see how healing the conference is. The lectures on bilingualism are very empowering to them.

    Yet I see a lot of anger from those who don’t embrace Deaf Community’s idea of Deafhood. It makes me sad to see so much divisions in the Deaf Community.

    If you feel the parents are ready to hear the deafhood, fine. I don’t think so, but everybody has different ideas and of course I’ve been wrong in the past as I’m not an expert. I would then recommend that DBC combine both Bilingualism and Deafhood.

    My concern is the mixing of the messages are already confusing the parents. If the DBC is clear with its mission statement, then the parents can read further about deafhood and how audism has affected the Deaf Community and the educational system, they will understand better. If deaf people are against c.i., they need to explain why, so the parents can understand the reasons.

    Right now they are hearing audism and audism behind the c.i. and oralism. They have no idea what these concepts mean. They don’t understand why some Deaf people are against c.i. due to audism behind the c.i. and oralism. They see the leaders against c.i. It would help them if they understand the reasons. But when they check the DBC, it states nothing.. just bilingualism and some vague reference on audism.

    If more Deaf people share their experiences growing up while using C.I.s, then the parents can see the facts.

  23. DT
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 11:03:23

    Patti, nice, loving blog, as usual but I think you know some of the realities in this thing called Life. Of course, I would not have what LassoBC did but what do you propose when it is sometimes obviously necessary to lance a boil on occasion as it appears to be the case at the present time in order to preserve the dignity and mission of DBC? Again, not to be negative for it’s own sake but I think that the reason the DBC had a “successful” conference recently was only because certain revelations about the sinister underpinnings of the organization came to light an eve or two prior to the gathering.

    I know this is sad all the way around but that a simple but clean incision/lancing is obviously necessary for the greater good. That’s why some here who love DBC just as much as you do are willing to do the dirty work necessary. You said yourself and we all agree that there are more good folks out there than there are bad but what do you do when there’s a bnad one or two who are immensely influential. Withdrawing your support might be your personal reaction but that wouldn’t help matters, would it if the cancer continues to flourish? Wouldn’t you appreciate it if a clean incision is made for the greater good?

    Anyway, always nice to see your graciousness….


  24. Coyern
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 11:19:20

    Honk! Honk! Honk!
    I love your integrity.

  25. Dianrez
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 11:30:06

    Amy’s blog brought into focus the hurt of many Deaf people who were inspired by the DBC Milwaukee convention and came home only to find it being bashed left and right by THEIR OWN people.

    It is difficult to sort through the bashings to find the truth: a difference of opinion on how DBC should be run and how its goals should be written.

    The concept of DBC is fine. So is its Deafhood approach, since it inspires a people that has been historically oppressed.

    However, I’m one of those that feels DBC’s Deafhood philosophy and its parent education goal are incompatible and headed in different directions.

    We need to either:

    –split DBC into two separate, differently named groups and with different mandates….

    –or to reformulate DBC with a clearly stated agenda: “We believe in Deafhood and we will approach parent education using Deafhood principles.”

    I’ll enter a honking contest with anybody supporting DBC. Just be upfront, as MZ says.

  26. Karen Mayes
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 12:11:10


    As long as Deafhood and DBC are kept separate.

    Thank you Patti for being honest about not agreeing about what Americanized version of Deafhood should be. I was concerned by the way people readily jumped to Deafhood and I felt I was the only one who immediately questioned it on the day I went to Deafhood workshop. It is good to know that I am not the only one.

    DBC… please listen to us. We want to help. But we can’t help if Deafhood is forced upon us. Think of the target audience… hearing parents. They are the ones who make the final decisions about the babies.

  27. Abbie
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 12:17:48

    I’m going to be stepping back until I find a organization if and when it is formed that falls within the realm of my own beliefs. On paper, DBC’s methodology is honorable but they lack of actions and initiative to reach a crowd further then their own. There is a big problem with lack of acceptance of those with a CI in the deaf community and the DBC is no different apparently.

    Wish I could say that I am shocked but I am not.

  28. Don Grushkin
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 12:31:39

    Patti #18 & MishkaZ #17,

    Last March, I presented at the CAL-ED conference a presentation titled “Deafhood? What’s that, and what does it mean for me and my Deaf/HH child?” I was aiming this toward parents who are curious about Deafhood and wanted to know more. I did not get any negative feedback, and in fact, one mom cried because she wanted to know how she could help do this for her son, who was isolated in a rural part of the state without Deaf adults around or in his school. I gave a few suggestions, and she seemed to appreciate it. So, I agree with Patti that parents can be ready to hear it, if we present it appropriately.

  29. LS
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 12:55:11

    HONKHONK! As long as DBC stands alone and perhaps the name revamps for a better image and starts over again.

  30. Karen Mayes
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 12:58:22

    Here is what I wrote on Cy’s blog:

    “Deafhood is a complex concept for us to understand so it is better to be separate from DBC or any organization. What is more, DH is solely for personal use, from my understanding. I see there are two versions of DH… British and American. So mixing both DH and DBC together sends out complicating messages, even to us who understand Deafhood (or think we understand DH… but it is really our own interpretation of DH that makes us decide we understand it.) DBC is more of an educational and resource movement (bilingualism, cognitive skills, etc.) DH… is just another agenda, another mission, another whateva. Hearing parents are RARELY ready for listening about DH… They’d be interested in learning about DH but they’d be more concerned on providing resources for their deaf babies so that they could live in the hearing world, giving them a headstart, etc. Babies’ first exposure to culture often start at home… hearing parents’ home.”

  31. moi
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 15:31:29

    Patti, *hug* Thank you for being a voice of reason. I am deeply hurt by the verbal violence that has gone on for days now.
    HONK HONK HONK for the principles and for rational discourse where we do not sink to tarring and feathering individuals because we disagree with them.

  32. Another Refugee from the Flame Wars
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 20:54:06


    Join the Deaf Bilingual Coalition and work WITH us to end the education abuse in THIS generation!

    Your alternative is to join Barry (“Dr” Hocokan) Sewell and Ben (“I don’t join organizations) Vess in tearing down all our hard work.


    See any deaf babies waving back yet? No? Then GET BUSY DOING POSITIVE THINGS TO HELP MAKE THIS HAPPEN!

    Disclaimer: I am not now, nor have I ever been a DBC core team member. Just another grunt in the DBC trying to get people to sign to deaf babies.

    Isn’t THAT what it’s all about?

  33. David Ennis
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 21:02:42

    Honk Honk Honk for supporting DBC and DEAFHOOD.

    Everyone should know that language without culture can’t be survived.

    DBC strongly encourages all deaf children to learn ASL as their native language and then learn English literacy to emulate the Bilingualism goal.

    DEAFHOOD strongly encourages
    all visual-learners to understand that they are just human beings as equality to hearing children and also encourages hearing parents to learn that their Deaf children are simply human beings that needs a visual-based education rather than defective beings.

    If you feel unsure to agree or disagree that DBC and DEAFHOOD should be somehow united, then hmm.. Okay just let me give an brief history of the AGB’s misguided philosophy.

    The Dark Age of the Deaf History
    began in 1920’s.

    Over 80 percent of all Deaf residential schools fell down under the Pure Oralism. Less than 20 percent Deaf schools followed the Combined System but in fact, ALL Deaf schools did not allowed the official usage of manual signs/ASL in their academic classrooms. Please don’t forget that the manual signs/ASL in all of the Day deaf schools and oral schools was banned. Deaf children felt violated when the audists took ASL away from their native language. Deaf children cried when they frustrated to understand with teachers who knew nothing of ASL. Later they became helpless and then began to look for a Deaf adult signer as their positive role model but unfortunately, the aduists fired or forced most Deaf teachers who were ASL signers, into early retirements.




  34. Ali
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 21:23:17


  35. Jean Boutcher
    Jul 14, 2008 @ 21:39:56


    I am with you:


  36. Mishka Zena
    Jul 15, 2008 @ 09:11:36

    David Ennis,

    If you feel this way, then please ask the DBC leaders to add this to their mission so everybody will know where DBC stands.

    Transparency is very important for both the organization and the Deaf Community

  37. John Mans
    Jul 15, 2008 @ 17:48:12

    I will stand up for DBC, who promotes bilingualism and Deaf baby’s RIGHT for having ASL… DBC IS NOT Deafhood. I LOVE people, who stand up for DBC. I will miss to read your blog or vlog from the Deafread. tkc Have a good jounery….

  38. Deaf Supporter
    Jul 15, 2008 @ 22:17:06

    Honk, Honk, and Honk!!!!

    Remember that one thing is..AGB is still laughing at and keep allowing more use of CI in the future. I want to stop AGB. Patti, please please don’t give up your hope and keep fighting until you win like a King. 🙂

  39. Chriz
    Jul 15, 2008 @ 23:34:25

    H O N K H O N K H O N KKKKK!!!!

    I agree that a grassroots organization like DBC is definitely long overdue, and the DBC committee did an outstanding job putting off the first conference. For any of us who have been on conference committees, we know this is no easy feat and requires hours and hours of dedication and commitment. I am confident that no matter what happens going into the future, DBC will PREVAIL!!!

    In response to your question on Why is this all happening? My thought is that it is a mix of different things: misunderstandings… fear… attention-seeking… perceived thoughts about others that are not necessarily true… perceived insults about their background or way of life… lack of social skills in how to engage in sharing thoughts/ feelings… and… the failure of DeafRead to adhere to their guidelines.

  40. Jehanne
    Jul 17, 2008 @ 05:35:05


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